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Forum: Try This
Author: Jacek Poplawski
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#! has given me no rational excuse to buy new high-end hardware. In fact my trajectory since switching to it has been in precisely the opposite direction...

Starting with a 2.2 core 2 duo Unibody Macbook, to an 1.6 atom ASUS EeePC 900A, now on a 1.5 Pentium M X31 IBM thinkpad. Somewhere along the way I added an old P4 desktop (also #!, and Win7). Now I sit around trying to figure out if I can pick up that 50 dollar PIII laptop to use as a music-file & non-hd-video server for the living room.

I've gone from 1 computer at about 1500 dollars, to looking at picking up my 3rd at a total cost of <500.

#! (and now its derivates like squeezebang) makes computer hoarding all too financially feasible.

I've noticed a lot of members have switched over to xfce with an openbox feel on debian testing via omn's DTX.

If we assume for a minute that #! becomes a debian testing build for the next release, there is also a chance it may switch to XFCE.

So my question is, what are the differences between openbox and xfce, with regards to performance?
Even if #! sticks with openbox, users may wish to go omn's route. So i ask, how are memory usage, and cpu usage in this regard.
Also any other little comments you have would be nice to hear (such as why you prefer one to another)

Thanks!

I'm not sure if this is a stupid idea or a good one. 
At any rate, after core's post, asking for feedback about the description, and various other posts in, for example, the introduction section, I thought it *might* be worthwhile. 

So....why did you try #!Crunchbang?  Why do you still use it?  I guess I'll go first.  :)

I'm a FreeBSD lover at heart, but my current job revolves around CentOS servers, so I came back to the Linux world.  I use Fedora as my main desktop, the logic being that fixing things that break on a desktop will help me when things don't go right with the servers. 

Fedora is almost broken by design--that's an exaggeration, but as it's more or less a test bed for RedHat, regardless of what the official line is, they tend to put things in that don't work properly.  In addition, they're heavily Gnome-centric, and many things will work out of the box in Gnome, but not with Fluxbox, Openbox or other lightweight window managers. 

As many friends, as well as a few of my users, run Ubuntu, I usually try to more or less keep up with it as well, running it on a laptop as a secondary O/S.  One thing I noticed was that when compared with Fedora, many things work much better.  I suspect that this is partially due to the different goals--Ubuntu's stated number one bug is that Windows is more popular.

Although something like ArchLinux will always be one of my favorites, I find that in my old age, I get impatient having to configure sound, wireless, etc., and grow to appreciate the distros where it just works.  It leaves me more time to do my work. 

So, Crunchbang interested me when I read about it.  Based on Ubuntu, which often just works, but without its bloat.  Although I prefer Flux to Open, I like Openbox too.  The Fluxbox-cum-Ubuntu based distros usually seem to be a bit behind whatever is current, which was one reason I never really settled on any of them. 

So, I tried Crunchbang.  After fixing my Openbox and panel to my liking, I changed my desktop to Fluxbox.  (I just wanted to make sure I could still configure Openbox.)  I've found that it gives me enough to do my work without getting in my way.  I've frequently, on these forums, referred to it as an ArchLinux for busy people, and the more I use it, the more I like that expression, misleading though it is.

So, even though I change the desktop and basically waste all of corenominal's hard work on getting sane defaults for panels, menus and the like, it's almost like doing a command line Ubuntu install, then customizing it afterwards--however, without the time and effort spent in doing so.  The basics have been done for me--sound, multimedia, X, plugins and the like.  It gives me access to the Ubuntu repos, which are far more complete than Fedora's--just as an example, Xbuffy an XBiff-ish program that can watch multiple mailboxes, is available.  It isn't in Fedora, and as it's a very old program, it's not even easy to build from source anymore.

So, #!Crunchbang gives me, with little effort, a nice base which doesn't complain if I customize it.  (Unlike both Ubuntu and Fedora, both of which seem to fight you if you decide to not use Gnome.)

That might even be a slogan if it was polished up a bit.  It gives you enough to let you do your work and doesn't give you so much that it gets in your way.

I decided to borrow this idea from the Arch Linux Forums. Just copy the categories and vote for your favorite apps. Also feel free to submit your own categories if I haven't made it. I will periodically count votes and update this post with the tally.

Diplay/Login Managers
[9] startx/xinitrc
[2] SLiM
[1] KDM

Archive Managers
[6] File-Roller
[5] atool (cli)
[5] xarchiver
[1] Squeeze

Calculator
[2] Speedcrunch
[1] Qalculate-gtk

File Managers
[13] Thunar
[4] PCManFM
[1] mc
[1] Nautilus
[1] xfe

FTP/SSH
[5] ssh (cli)
[4] FileZilla
[3] ftp (cli)
[3] scp (cli)
[2] telnet (cli)

Image Editors
[10] GIMP
[5] ImageMagick (cli)
[1] Digikam
[1] mtpaint

Image Editors (vector)
[5] Inkscape
[1] Tgif

Image Viewers
[9] GPicView
[2] Feh
[1] Comix
[1] Digikam
[1] Viewnior

Instant Messengers
[11] Pidgin
[2] Skype
[1] Empathy

IRC Clients
[6] XChat
[4] irssi (cli)
[1] Seamonkey/Chatzilla

Mail Client
[6] Thunderbird
[2] Claws mail
[2] mutt (cli)
[2] urlview (cli)
[1] Seamonkey

Microblogging client
[4] Pino
[1] twidge (cli)

Music Players
[6] moc (cli)
[4] Audacious
[3] Rythymbox
[2] QuodLibet
[1] cplay
[1] ncmpcpp
[1] Songbird
[1] xfmedia

Network Managers
[8] Network-Manager
[6] Wicd

Office Apps
[9] Abiword
[7] Gnumeric
[6] OpenOffice.org
[1] KOffice
[1] Scribus
[1] TexMaker

PDF Reader
[8] Evince
[5] ePDFView
[1] pdf2text
[1] xpdf

Podcast client
[2] bashpodder

RSS reader
[1] newsbeuter (cli)

Search Utility
[2] Catfish

System Information
[3] inxi
[2] Hardinfo

System Monitors
[16] Conky
[10] htop
[1] lxtask

System Panels/Menus/Trays
[14] Tint2
[2] bmpanel
[2] xfce4-panel

Terminal Emulators
[13] Terminator
[3] Tilda
[1] Sakura
[1] xterm

Text Editors
[11] nano (cli)
[7] Gedit
[6] Leafpad
[5] Geany
[2] Vim (cli)

Torrent Clients
[9] Transmission
[4] rtorrent (cli)
[3] Deluge
[1] Ktorrent

Video Players
[9] VLC
[4] GNOME-MPlayer
[3] MPlayer
[2] Totem
[1] SMPlayer

Video Transcoder
[2] Handbrake

Web Browsers
[11] Firefox
[3] Google Chrome
[3] w3m (cli)
[2] Swiftfox
[1] Arora
[1] elinks (cli)
[1] IceWeasel
[1] Links2 (cli)
[1] Midori
[1] Seamonkey
[1] SRware Iron

Other
[4] Grub legacy (instead of grub2)
[3] Unetbootin
[2] baobab
[1] Grsync
[1] screen
[1] Seahorse

What is going to be changed in the default Crunchbang system in this new version?
(other than the base switching from Ubuntu to Debian)

Thanks, and keep the good work!